Measles recently reared its ugly, red, itchy, pulsating head into Ontario, accelerating the big debate about vaccinations and whether doctors—the smartest people in the world—are a bunch of autism-loving scam artists.

Not ones to be intimidated by pitchfork-wielding, snot-encrusted anti-vaxxers, Paul Lemieux and The Late O’Clock News team looked into the issue by interviewing infectious disease specialist, Dr. Neil Rou, to get some hard answers. If the following report doesn’t convince you to immunize your children then you should probably move to a small island inhabited only by snakes, and get sick there instead.